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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-23-2008:</span> <br/>
I've been thinking about the GEET hydrocarbon <small>(H+C+O)</small> plasma cracker compared to the "Joe Cell" hydroxy <small>(H+O)</small> cold plasma.<br/>
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At "stage three", the Joe Cell is said to contain 'charged' water that is very clean and even refreshing to drink.<br/>
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Once charged, a Joe Cell will respond to vacuum <br/>
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that only a very small voltage and microamperage, almost stasis <small>(a 1.5v A cell lasting months/years)</small>)</small>.<br/>
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Both <a href="use.htm">use</a> electromagnetic steel cylinders under vacuum.<br/>
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GEET exhaust may contain "LITHIUM, BERYLLIUM, ALUMINIUM, CHLORINE, ... and the Periodic Table numbers 109, 111 and 131"<br/>
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HHO or "Brown's Gas" is also said to be dangerous to breathe.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-21-2008:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/community-protection-in-product-service-platforms/2008/07/21#comment-277064">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/community-protection-in-product-service-platforms/2008/07/21#comment-277064</a><br/>
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The <a href="real.htm">real</a> “missing p” is <a href="proper.htm">Proper</a>ty.<br/>
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When <a href="user.htm">user</a>s <a href="own.htm">OWN</a> the means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion none of these problems occur.<br/>
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Do you think <a href="user.htm">user</a>s cannot afford to <a href="own.htm">own</a> the means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion? They already <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> for it when they buy <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts. The only <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>erence is that they <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> *after* <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion instead of *before*. That can be solved by encouraging <a href="user.htm">user</a>s that can afford to buy early to pre-purchase the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t. But they won’t just be buying the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t, they will become <a href="part.htm">part</a>-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers in the company. The return on their investment is ‘<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t’ instead of ‘<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>’. Any late-comers who <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> full <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e <small>(both <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s and <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> become <a href="part.htm">part</a>-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ers in the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> they paid above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>. In other words, <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> must be treated as an investment from the <a href="user.htm">user</a> who paid it to <a href="insur.htm">insur</a>e such disasters as described do not happen because the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent <a href="user.htm">user</a> base will always be in control.<br/>
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How strange is our stance that all <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion must be AGAINST the very people it pretends to be FOR.<br/>
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<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion should be for <a href="use.htm">USE</a> value, not for the <a href="work.htm">work</a> it takes to accomplish it. <a href="work.htm">Work</a> is a <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> we want to minimize, don’t we?<br/>
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What are our goals? Does peer <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion require <a href="user.htm">user</a> <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e remain above <a href="own.htm">own</a>er <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s just as in Capitalism?<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-19-2008:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://Autonomo.us/wiki/Talk:Draft_statement">http://Autonomo.us/wiki/Talk:Draft_statement</a><br/>
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''Consider very carefully whether to <a href="use.htm">use</a> software on someone else's <a href="compu.htm">compu</a>ter at all. Where it is possible, they should <a href="use.htm">use</a> <a href="free.htm">Free</a> Software equivalents that run on your their <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="compu.htm">compu</a>ter. Services may have substantial benefits, but they represent a loss of control for <a href="user.htm">user</a>s and introduce several problems.''<br/>
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<a href="user.htm">User</a> lose some control when they share <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware, but sharing <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware can be worth the value of cooperation.<br/>
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We, the <a href="user.htm">user</a>s, could host Software Service <a href="free.htm">Free</a>dom immediately if we could just learn to share <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware in cooperation.<br/>
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<a href="hard.htm">Hard</a>ware is needed for all <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion, including Software Services. Software <a href="user.htm">user</a>s are also <a href="hard.htm">Hard</a>ware Consumers because Software requires <a href="hard.htm">Hard</a>ware.<br/>
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<a href="hard.htm">Hard</a>ware has initial and re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s that somebody must <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>.<br/>
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Non-<a href="own.htm">own</a>ing consumers already <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> all <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s, AND they <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>.<br/>
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When the consumers <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> all the same <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s, but that is all they <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>. <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ing Consumers also have direct democracy over the <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware they cooperatively <a href="own.htm">own</a>.<br/>
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A consumer who <a href="own.htm">own</a>s sufficient Captial <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>s only the <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion. He can't <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> unless he doesn't yet have enough <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership. That consumer also has full control of how his material or data. <a href="proper.htm">Proper</a>ty <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership gives him the final say.<br/>
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What if we, the consumers, could figure out how to collectively <a href="fund.htm">fund</a> the purchase some of our <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware that we hold in cooperation?<br/>
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We could then <a href="use.htm">use</a> that <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware to host a <small>[<small>[<a href="free.htm">Free</a> <a href="net.htm">Net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> Service]</small>]</small>.<br/>
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But we need to outline how to share <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware in cooperation or we won't reap those benefits. All <a href="user.htm">user</a>s must have <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware <a href="free.htm">free</a>dom or the cooperation will be stifled.<br/>
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This is similar to scheduling processes to run on <a href="compu.htm">compu</a>ter <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware. Not everyone can <a href="use.htm">use</a> the <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> simultaneously. There must be allocation routines, and even auctions to slice that <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware up across time.<br/>
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It is already commom for people to have joint <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty holdings. These <a href="co-own.htm">co-own</a>ers already set policy over their divisible portions.<br/>
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Private <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty can be <a href="use.htm">use</a>d by a group to create a sort of pseudo-public <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty from within the <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ent system. It is a sort of syndicalism.<br/>
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<a href="curr.htm">Curr</a>ent public services <small>(from <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>itional governments)</small> tend to be vastly inefficient and usurps local control.<br/>
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<a href="curr.htm">Curr</a>ent private services <small>(from <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>itional corporations)</small> is sometimes more efficient in some measure, but there is still the lack of local control and that problem called <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>.<br/>
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Treating "<a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>" <small>(<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>)</small> as a consumer's investment keeps <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership distributed during growth.<br/>
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<a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> is highest when consumers have the least <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership.<br/>
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Consumers <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> more when they have no alternative, so <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> should be treated as an investment from the consumer who paid it so that they slowly gain the alternative of <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership. Thus, as the consumer <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>s the purchase of more Capital, the <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership of that growth becomes the <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty of the very person who needed that increase in access in direct <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>ortion to the a<a href="mount.htm">mount</a> that they were destitute.<br/>
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What about outsiders? How does the service grow as the number of consumers increases? Consumers will always remain in local control if the <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> they <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> is treated as their <a href="own.htm">own</a> investment in more <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tive <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es, and that <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership is maximally divisible.<br/>
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<a href="pay.htm">Pay</a>ing a <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> proves there is not enough <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware to meet peak demand, so an overbid <small>(<a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>)</small> is <a href="use.htm">use</a>d to <a href="fund.htm">fund</a> the purchase of more of that kind of <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware.<br/>
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Each consumer gains <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership needed to exert the control they need to be autonomous.<br/>
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Sharing <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware between multiple <a href="own.htm">own</a>ers is complicated.<br/>
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Each <a href="user.htm">user</a> should <a href="own.htm">own</a> % of Capital needed to <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e what they consume.<br/>
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Each potential <a href="user.htm">user</a> buys <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty in the multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er pool when they <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> more than <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> or buy early.<br/>
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This <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership is also vote weight and rights of secession.<br/>
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Each consuming <a href="own.htm">own</a>er can then <a href="rent.htm">rent</a> <a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e, time, mass and energy from the collective others.<br/>
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<a href="trad.htm">Trad</a>ing goods and services begets specialization.<br/>
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Many <a href="art.htm">art</a>isans <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e efficiently when sustained.<br/>
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ANY and ALL <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion requires <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>ly <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ware.<br/>
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It is this <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> that we must collectively <a href="fund.htm">fund</a>.<br/>
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Example:<br/>
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<a href="mail.htm">Mail</a> and <a href="file.htm">file</a> <a href="stor.htm">stor</a>age<br/>
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When 2 or more people try to share a physical thing<br/>
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Each paid 50% of the initial <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>, and 50% for re<a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ing <small>(electricity, maintenance)</small>.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-19-2008:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://Autonomo.us/wiki/User:Patrick_Anderson">http://Autonomo.us/wiki/User:Patrick_Anderson</a><br/>
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Hello all,<br/>
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Just reporting in to let you <a href="know.htm">know</a> I'm here reading and thinking.<br/>
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<span class="h2">==My High-Level Questions</span><br/>
<span class="bullet">*</span> A <a href="net.htm">Net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> Service is one <br/>
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just an example of a larger issue? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Is single-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty <small>(personal)</small> pre-requisite to autonomy? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Is multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty <small>(public)</small> pre-requisite to specialization? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Why od "Public Services" fail us now?<br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Is the governance of most multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty non-optimal? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> When is multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty 'public', when is it 'private'? <small>(government, corporation)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Could a group buy some multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty as a 'private' holding, and then cooperatively offer it <a href="back.htm">back</a> to themselves as a 'public' service? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Is that syndicalism? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> May such a group apply arbitrary policy to that multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty?<br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Will group members dis<a href="agree.htm">agree</a> on policy over multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Could we write a legally binding social contract which we could then apply to multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Is that contract a sort of local governance; a kind of self-inflicted law? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Can members split the multi-<a href="own.htm">own</a>er physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty to solve conflicts? <small>(not always. Time Sharing helps.)</small><br/>
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<span class="bullet">*</span> Could this social contract be <a href="use.htm">use</a>d to foster <a href="user.htm">User</a> <a href="free.htm">Free</a>dom in physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty? <small>(y)</small><br/>
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<span class="h2">==More rambling</span><br/>
The <a href="gpl.htm">GPL</a> <a href="use.htm">use</a>s copyright law to enforce a license over <a href="virt.htm">virt</a>ual re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es.<br/>
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We could <a href="use.htm">use</a> <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty-rights law to enforce a contract over physical re<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es.<br/>
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In both cases, the 'developer' must '<a href="own.htm">own</a>' the '<a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es' he supplies.<br/>
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In the first case, the programmer creates that value through his <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>ed labor applied to some <small>[<small>[Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es]</small>]</small> <small>(a Personal <a href="compu.htm">Compu</a>ter, the electricity, the <a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e that PC occupies)</small>.<br/>
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In the s<a href="econ.htm">econ</a>d case, a collection of potential consumers <a href="fund.htm">fund</a> the operation when they invest by <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> early or when the <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> more than <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>.<br/>
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It can be thought of as a "pre-purchase" plan, where each <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>ing customer becomes a <a href="part.htm">part</a>ial <a href="own.htm">own</a>er in <a href="land.htm">Land</a> and Capital <a href="use.htm">use</a>d to grow the operation.<br/>
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Whether it is a <a href="bank.htm">bank</a> of high-speed servers to host some <a href="web.htm">Web</a> 3.0 thing, or an apple tree, all <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion requires <small>[<small>[Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es]</small>]</small>.<br/>
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When consumer <a href="own.htm">own</a> capital in a cooperative manner. enough physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es<small>(, has enough <a href="own.htm">own</a>ership that all of his <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t is "at <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>".<br/>
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Anyone interested in writing a legally binding <small>[<small>[Social Contract]</small>]</small> we could apply to <small>[<small>[Physical <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>es]</small>]</small>?<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-15-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://CraigsList.org">CraigsList.org</a><br/>
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Equistar Financial<br/>
<a href="net.htm">Net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a> solutions<br/>
Keeping System <a href="work.htm">Work</a>ing, <br/>
Interacting, Online, etc<br/>
Maintain <a href="net.htm">net</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>s—<a href="mac.htm">mac</a>hines communicating with each other<br/>
Set up online forms<br/>
<span class="bullet">*</span>*What programming lanuages would you need to <a href="know.htm">know</a>?**<br/>
Commission based on internet hits<br/>
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<a href="real.htm">Real</a> E<a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e investing<br/>
Bought and maintained <a href="rent.htm">rent</a>al <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ties, remodeled and sold for a <a href="profit.htm">profit</a><br/>
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ABC Report<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-15-2008:</span> Possible <a href="title.htm">Title</a>s<br/>
A<br/>
Bake<br/>
Break Fast<br/>
Chicken Fry<br/>
City Sovereign<br/>
Commune<br/>
Compound<br/>
Daily Bread<br/>
Dinner<br/>
Edible<br/>
Fever<br/>
Gift<br/>
God<br/>
Heal<br/>
Help<br/>
I<br/>
J<br/>
Kale<br/>
Labor <a href="bank.htm">Bank</a><br/>
Lunch<br/>
Monster Lawn<br/>
<a href="new.htm">New</a> Herb<br/>
<a href="new.htm">New</a>Berg<br/>
NuHerban<br/>
O<br/>
<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t Futures<br/>
Q<br/>
R<br/>
Shoe<br/>
Sod-Flip<br/>
Spring Sow<br/>
Sprite<br/>
Spritz<br/>
SubHerban<br/>
Suburban Salvation<br/>
Summer Seed<br/>
Supper<br/>
Supper Safety<br/>
T<br/>
Urban Sower<br/>
UrbanNewal<br/>
V<br/>
W<br/>
X<br/>
Yearly Supply, Yearly Harvest<br/>
Z<br/>
<br/>
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<a href="skill.htm">Skill</a>ed Labor:<br/>
B<br/>
Cook, <a href="compu.htm">Compu</a>ter Repair<br/>
Diner, <a href="disk.htm">Disk</a> <small>{Archive, Un<a href="delet.htm">delet</a>e<br/>
E<br/>
F<br/>
G<br/>
Help<br/>
In<br/>
J<br/>
K<br/>
L<br/>
M<br/>
N<br/>
O<br/>
P<br/>
Q<br/>
Reap<br/>
Software Development<br/>
T<br/>
U<br/>
V<br/>
W<br/>
X<br/>
Y<br/>
Z<br/>
<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-15-2008:</span> trying to respnond to some <a href="mail.htm">mail</a>s about <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y<br/>
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Some <a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>es issue their <a href="own.htm">own</a> <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y tokens.<br/>
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Other <a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>es <a href="rent.htm">rent</a> tokens <a href="bank.htm">bank</a>s.<br/>
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United <a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>es <a href="rent.htm">rent</a> tokens from the <a href="bank.htm">Bank</a>sters after buying it with bonds <a href="back.htm">back</a>ed by physical <a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty.<br/>
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<a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>es issue tax tokens against labour services.<br/>
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<span class="quot">"'enforces the spread of commodity <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion. '"</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-14-2008:</span><br/>
So "peer <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y" is anything recognized as a subsitute for the value of physical items.<br/>
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That sounds like a "<a href="title.htm">Title</a> Of <a href="own.htm">Own</a>ership", a Deed, a Pink Slip.<br/>
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I've dreamt these Tickets would be specific to a *<a href="obj.htm">Obj</a>ect* - whether Good or Service.<br/>
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But maye the <a href="title.htm">title</a>s should instead be <br/>
<br/>
You could buy <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t Futures <br/>
<span class="h4">====Sample1</span><br/>
Item: Chicken Egg<br/>
Size: Dozen<br/>
Grade: A<br/>
Valid: Mon-Fri: 9am-9pm, ; Sat: 9am-11:59pm, Sun: 12am-11:59pm<br/>
Cycle: Weekly<br/>
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<span class="h4">====<small>[<small>[Sample1]</small>]</small></span><br/>
Item: Bus Ride<br/>
Size: 1 person, 1 carry-on | BIKE FEE: <small>[not paid]</small><br/>
Grade: Blue/Coach<br/>
Valid: Mon-Sun: 12am-12pm<br/>
Cycle: Daily<br/>
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Think of it as winning an auction for excluding time<br/>
<br/>
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But what do you mean by <span class="quot">"'whether issued by a <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e or not.'"</span><br/>
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So a "peer <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y" would be <a href="back.htm">back</a>ed by "<a href="proper.htm">Proper</a>ty Deed" <br/>
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Germ Form is syndicalism '<a href="boot.htm">boot</a>ed' on private-<a href="proper.htm">proper</a>ty e<a href="stat.htm">stat</a>es within a "Host Cell" - inside the "Mother <a href="stat.htm">Stat</a>e".<br/>
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under a Social Contract<br/>
<br/>
This Social Contract is enforced as a Terms of Operation over cooperative physical assets.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Deeds serving as both tickets for future <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>t<br/>
<br/>
that was written on the associated<br/>
<br/>
could be the micro-<a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e that births and operate within the containing <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e.<br/>
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We purchase <a href="land.htm">Land</a> and Capital, then provide the Labor internally so that <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e meets <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>, <small>(assuming that might be desirable)</small><br/>
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<br/>
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<span class="quot">"'... "peer <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y", which I would call <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y that does not orginate with a self-declared <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e.'"</span><br/>
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Sam, I am curious what you mean by "self-declared <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e", and why a SDS cannot host "peer <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y".<br/>
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To me this definition of "<a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y"<br/>
<a href="real.htm">real</a>ly, <a href="real.htm">real</a>ly doesn't matter and the only distinction worth not to me is <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e vs. non-<a href="stat.htm">stat</a>e <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ency.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-13-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://YourBackYardFarmer.com">YourBackYardFarmer.com</a> <span class="quot2">>>Your <a href="back.htm">Back</a>yard Farmer is an innovative approach to community supported agriculture through urban <a href="back.htm">back</a>yard farming. We create small sustainable organic method farms at your <a href="back.htm">back</a>door & provide fresh, in-season <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>e from</span><br/>
your farm to your fork.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-13-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://MyFarmSF.com">MyFarmSF.com</a> <span class="quot2">>>Growing Vegetables. Growing Community. -Grow delicious vegetables locally in cities, -Connect people with their food, -<a href="mak.htm">Mak</a>e food <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion secure and sustainable.</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-13-2008:</span> Should the <a href="own.htm">own</a>er of a household most efficiently be the consumer of those ammentities, or those that <a href="work.htm">work</a> there?<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-13-2008:</span> The Value of <a href="use.htm">Use</a> and Exchange<br/>
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When Marx and Marxists <a href="use.htm">use</a> the word 'Value' alone they usually mean "Exchange Value".<br/>
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"Exchange Value" == "Surplus Value" + "<a href="use.htm">Use</a> Value"<br/>
"Exchange Value" is also approximately equal to "Consumer <a href="pric.htm">Pric</a>e"<br/>
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"Surplus Value" == all forms of <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a>, including "Interest beyond opportunity <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>" and "<a href="econ.htm">Econ</a>omic <a href="rent.htm">Rent</a>"<br/>
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"<a href="use.htm">Use</a> Value" == the <a href="real.htm">real</a> <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion, including labor, wear on capital, exclusion, pollution<br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(economics)">http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(economics)</a><br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_value">http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange_value</a><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added">http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added</a><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_value">http://Wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_value</a> <span class="quot2">>>Marx himself regarded the reduction of <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>, interest and <a href="rent.htm">rent</a> income to surplus-value, and surplus value to surplus labour as one of his greatest theoretical achievements.</span><br/>
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But this disregards WHY a consumer <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>s <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>, interest or <a href="rent.htm">rent</a>. A consumer doesn't ALWAYS <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="profit.htm">profit</a>, interest or <a href="rent.htm">rent</a>.<br/>
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Consumers <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> <a href="cost.htm">cost</a> when they <a href="own.htm">own</a> capital cooperatively.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-12-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://Blogs.Law.Harvard.edu/vrm">Blogs.Law.Harvard.edu/vrm</a> <span class="quot2">>>Developing tools for customer independence and engagement with vendors</span><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-12-2008:</span> I <a href="real.htm">real</a>ly need to get involved at <a class="ext" href="http://Distributism.BlogSpot.com">Distributism.BlogSpot.com</a><br/>
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<a href="part.htm">Part</a> of what I need prepared before then is an explanation of <br/>
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<a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>tion can be commercial without being <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>rietary.<br/>
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<a href="trad.htm">Trad</a>e can be in a market without being usurist.<br/>
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We can cover <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>s without gouging the <a href="user.htm">user</a>.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-12-2008:</span> The <a href="profit.htm">Profit</a> vs. <a href="produc.htm">Produc</a>t Paradox<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-12-2008:</span> I'm trying to get into words the importance of secession.<br/>
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The majority should not be able to enforce their views onto the minority when the physical <a href="sourc.htm">sourc</a>es under consideration can be cleanly divided.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-12-2008:</span> In "First Draft of Letter To Vera Zasulich" at <a class="ext" href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/03/zasulich1.htm">http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/03/zasulich1.htm</a> we read:<br/>
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<span class="quot">"'In dealing with the genesis of capitalist <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion I <a href="stat.htm">stat</a>ed that it is founded on “the complete separation of the <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>er from the means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion” <small>(p. 315, column 1, French <a href="edit.htm">edit</a>ion of Capital)</small>'"</span><br/>
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Always we <a href="protect.htm">protect</a> the act of <a href="work.htm">work</a>ing without regard to what should be the ultimate goal of consuming. There are at least two reasons for this:<br/>
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1. Fat, lazy Americans are the epitome of consuming. Why should we <a href="buil.htm">buil</a>d a system for them when they could <a href="hard.htm">hard</a>ly be deserving of it.<br/>
2. <a href="work.htm">Work</a> is the <a href="diff.htm">diff</a>icult side of things. It takes not just <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>, but applied <a href="skill.htm">skill</a>. It seems obvious we would want to reward this and nothing else.<br/>
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But I catch even myself in strange wording that reveals an inaccurate framing of this problem. It is not that we are rewarding someone to consume, it is only that the means of <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion are most efficiently held by those that <a href="use.htm">use</a> those <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ts.<br/>
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Consumers <a href="pay.htm">pay</a>. They <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> with <a href="work.htm">work</a>, or they <a href="pay.htm">pay</a> with some sort of <a href="mone.htm">mone</a>y.<br/>
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Of course we should reward <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers. But all <a href="work.htm">work</a>ers are also consumers. So we reward the act of <a href="work.htm">work</a> through an increased ability to consume.<br/>
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Is a community a collection of consumers?<br/>
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Consumer is such a dirty word today. Consumers are blamed for all the ills of Capitalism even though we quite late in the <a href="game.htm">game</a>, and mostly out of the loop of decisions.<br/>
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Consumerism is a terrible name for a movement<br/>
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Is it possible to fully r<a href="econ.htm">econ</a>sider our direction and purpose?<br/>
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Can we throw out or at least suppress our assumptions and long held beliefs so we can begin with a clean slate?<br/>
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Something has gone wrong with our <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omy. What is it? What, precisely, is the trouble with Capitalism? Instead of using words like 'evil' and 'greed' while blaming those that are <a href="curr.htm">curr</a>ently on top, why not debug the system itself?<br/>
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It's not the corporations, it's not the government, it's not the CEOs. It's no person or group, it is the system itself. And when I say 'system' I am talking about how we organize <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion and <a href="trad.htm">trad</a>e.<br/>
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Why does our species fail in ways that other organisms don't?<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-11-2008:</span><br/>
The din of combative discourse keeps us from deep analysis. No matter the approach I take <small>(though, of course I haven't tried everything)</small>, I cannot seem to break through so many pre-conceived notions.<br/>
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I want to talk about what I can see as the trouble, but it is so large - spanning too many subjects for it to be available for consumption since attention span is now 140 characters or less.<br/>
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If people want to do more than complain; if they are interested in deep analysis and the formulation of extended plans toward a solution, I wonder when or where they would be willing to discuss it at length.<br/>
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I doubt anyone has the patience. Surely someone must, but I've never met them.<br/>
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Attention is gone.<br/>
Reverence is mocked.<br/>
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We have lost all hope.<br/>
We have already given up.<br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-10-2008:</span> <a class="ext" href="http://www.archive.org/details/Joe_Cell_-_Two_Enthusiasts_1993-1996_VideoCameraRecordings">http://www.archive.org/details/Joe_Cell_-_Two_Enthusiasts_1993-1996_VideoCameraRecordings</a><br/>
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<hr/><span class="date">Jul-09-2008:</span> Posted to <a class="ext" href="http://groups.google.com/group/esa-discuss/post?hl=en">http://groups.google.com/group/esa-discuss/post?hl=en</a><br/>
Hello all,<br/>
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I am a self-taught <a href="econ.htm">econ</a>omics researcher interested in discussing an alternate interpretation of the income called '<a href="profit.htm">profit</a>'.<br/>
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As <a class="ext" href="http://EconomicScience.org">http://EconomicScience.org</a> is down, I cannot determine if such a discussion is welcome here or not.<br/>
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Please let me <a href="know.htm">know</a>:<br/>
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Would this group be interested in r<a href="econ.htm">econ</a>sidering the goal of keeping <a href="pric.htm">pric</a>e above <a href="cost.htm">cost</a>, or is the goal of <a href="profit.htm">profit</a> an unconditional pr<a href="econ.htm">econ</a>dition.<br/>
<br/>
Thanks in advance,<br/>
Patrick Anderson<br/>
<a class="ext" href="http://EcoComics.org">http://EcoComics.org</a><br/>
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Joined <a class="ext" href="http://Identi.ca">Identi.ca</a> mostly to determine the supposed 'openness' of it.<br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://FirstMonday.org/issues/issue11_9/berry">FirstMonday.org/issues/issue11_9/berry</a> <span class="quot2">>>The project of ‘<a href="free.htm">free</a> culture’ is committed to the creation of a cultural <a href="spac.htm">spac</a>e, rather like the ‘public domain’, seeking to complement/replace that of <a href="prop.htm">prop</a>rietary cultural commodities and privatized meaning. This has been given a <a href="new.htm">new</a> impetus with the birth of the Creative Commons. This organization has sought to introduce cultural <a href="produc.htm">produc</a>ers across the world to the possibilities of sharing, co–operation and commons–based peer–<a href="produc.htm">produc</a>tion by creating a set of interwoven licenses for creators to append to their <a href="art.htm">art</a><a href="work.htm">work</a>, music and text. In this paper, we chart the connections between this movement and the early <a href="free.htm">Free</a> Software and Open <a href="sourc.htm">Sourc</a>e movements and question whether underlying assumptions that are ignored or de–politicized are a threat to the very <a href="free.htm">free</a> culture that the project purports to save. We then move to suggest a <a href="new.htm">new</a> discursive project linked to notions of radical democracy.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://JoeCell.Cloud.ProHosting.com">JoeCell.Cloud.ProHosting.com</a> <span class="quot2">>>This is a collection of videos available on the internet, related to a <a href="free.htm">free</a> energy device called the 'Joe Cell'.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://ByronNewEnergy.com">ByronNewEnergy.com</a><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frances-moore-lappe/just-whos-doing-the-hoard_b_110107.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frances-moore-lappe/just-whos-doing-the-hoard_b_110107.html</a> <span class="quot2">>>Thus, our hunger crisis is actually a democracy crisis. Hunger can be eliminated only as we remove the influence of concentrated wealth over public choices and ensure the ongoing, healthy distribution of power. The sooner we <a href="start.htm">start</a> recasting the crisis thusly, the sooner we'll all be able to thrive.</span><br/>
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<a class="ext" href="http://NOAANews.NOAA.gov/stories/s798b.htm">NOAANews.NOAA.gov/stories/s798b.htm</a><br/>
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Finally subscribed to the Open <a href="know.htm">Know</a>ledge Foundation list at <a class="ext" href="http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss">http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss</a><br/>
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Also subscribed to <a class="ext" href="http://OpenHardwareFoundation.org/pipermail/ohf-licenses_openhardwarefoundation.org">OpenHardwareFoundation.org/pipermail/ohf-licenses_openhardwarefoundation.org</a><br/>
Also <a class="ext" href="http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community">http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community</a><br/>
And <a class="ext" href="http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-research">http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-research</a><br/>
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Renamed the "Personal Sovereignty Foundation" to the "Consumer Capital Cooperative"<br/>
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